Governments across the globe, from China, India, to Norway, are developing intelligent surveillance technologies, often in close collaboration with private tech companies to fight the COVID-19 pandemic. But is it safe to use these contact tracing apps? What could be the consequences for society in the long run? In this podcast episode, Hallvard Lavoll talks with Tereza Kuldova, a social anthropologist and Senior Researcher at the Work Research Institute. Tereza is currently working on the topics of algorithmic governance, surveillance, and artificial intelligence in policing and the welfare state. She is the founder and editor-in-chief of the Journal of Extreme Anthropology. For more information, please visit: www.tereza-kuldova.com.